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The Horse.com Ask the vet live: Equine Cushing's Disease (PPID)

9/18/2012

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Some good points were raised during TheHorse.com's Ask the vet live: Equine Cushing's Disease sponsored by Boehringer Ingelheim on 18 September, with questions being answered by Dr Nicholas Frank and Dr Marian Little.

In particular:
- important to recognise early and advanced PPID symptoms, early signs are often subtle and variable and include late shedding of winter coat, patchy longer/lighter coloured hairs, regional fat deposits, loss of topline, easy keeper becomes hard to keep weight on, depression & lethargy, footsoreness and chronic laminitis.
More advanced signs include "woolly mammoth" hair coat, recurrent infections e.g. hoof and tooth abscesses & sinusitis, excess drinking/urination, abnormal sweating.

- Miller graded pituitary glands into 1 and 2 = normal, 3 = mild PPID, 4 = moderate PPID and 5 = advanced PPID.  Diagnostic blood tests only picked up grade 5 and some grade 4 cases of PPID, but mild and moderate PPID cases are generally not detected by current testing.  If a horse has clinical signs but negative test results, keep testing as eventually a positive result is likely.

-  Horses that are obese and have EMS are predisposed to PPID. 

- ACTH is the easiest screening test and autumn is the best time to test using seasonal reference ranges for ACTH.  TRH stimulation test (of ACTH) may be a more sensitive test for diagnosing early PPID cases.

- Horses may need increased pergolide during the autumn seasonal rise - test ACTH to check control of PPID.  Even when diagnosis is obvious from clinical signs, testing ACTH gives a measure of severity and response to treatment.

- caring for the PPID horse includes giving pergolide, checking insulin levels, good nutrition (vitamin E and anti-oxidants), hoof care, clipping, deworming, regular dental checks, exercise if possible.

- not all horses with PPID are insulin resistant - insulin should be tested (basal insulin and glucose and/or oral sugar test) to make informed decisions about nutrition, e.g. able to graze or not.  Not all horses with PPID will get laminitis - laminitis is connected to insulin resistance.  If not insulin resistant, many older horses do better on grass.

- every case of PPID is different and must be managed individually.

Listen to the archived recording at www.thehorse.com

Read notes of the session

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Celebrating Homer's results!

9/8/2012

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2 years since Homer's all clear results following his laminitis (due to EMS) in 2009, I wanted to check that we were still on the right lines, particularly since this year he has had quite a lot of access to grass, albeit with a grazing muzzle, on a track which is mostly under trees, and generally only first thing in the morning and and last thing at night, and only when he's in regular exercise.

 I wanted to know how Homer was coping with his normal routine, so rather than fasting, he went out to graze in his muzzle as usual before the vet arrived.  My equine vet practice has just invested in a mobile centrifuge and a handheld glucometer - great news for laminitic horse owners!  
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Homer looks on (worriedly!) as his blood fills the appropriate tubes for testing (left to right) glucose, ACTH and insulin.
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Mobile laboratory - drawing off EDTA plasma after centrifugation.
The vet drew a large syringe full of Homer's blood and then filled the appropriate tubes - purple topped (EDTA) for ACTH, grey topped (OxF) for glucose, red topped (dry) for insulin (according to Liphook's protocol - different labs may have different protocols depending on the assays they use).  The ACTH and glucose samples were put straight in the centrifuge and separated, then the plasma drawn off with a needle and decanted into labelled plain tubes which were then chilled.  The insulin sample had to clot before being centrifuged, so the vet did some vaccinations and then centrifuged the red topped tube and decanted the serum into a labelled plain tube, which was then chilled.
We took 2 EDTA samples for ACTH, 10 minutes apart - Liphook had offered to test both for the price of one, an offer we couldn't refuse!  
As we are in France, the samples were frozen overnight (within the UK they'd normally only need be kept chilled) and then securely sealed and packed with frozen gel packs (supplied by Liphook), along with the completed submission form and cheque, and  taken on a plane yesterday (in hand luggage accompanied by the DEFRA import licence) and then driven straight to the lab at Liphook.  We had the insulin results for one pony within 3 hours of the blood's arrival at Liphook, and Homer's full results came first thing this morning.

We had tested a drop of whole blood from the first blood draw with 2 handheld glucometers - an Accu-Chek which gave a reading of 5.9 mmol/l (or 106.2 mg/dl), and the vet's glucometer which gave a reading of 116 mg/dl (or 6.44 mmol/l).  I had been concerned by the vet's glucometer's high reading, and started to worry that this might indicate that Homer's insulin might be over 20 uIU/ml - and that my management of him wasn't strict enough.  So it was with huge relief that I read Homer's results:
Insulin 4.4 uIU/ml (<20)
Glucose 5.7 mmol/l (2.3 - 6.8)
ACTH 16.4 and 14.6 pg/ml (10 mins apart) (<47)
I rushed out to give Homer a slice of apple (through his muzzle!) and a hug, and haven't yet been able to wipe the smile off my face!!
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EDTA plasma after being centrifuged - the yellow plasma at the top of the tube, the red and white blood cells at the bottom.
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A few things to note:

I chose to do a non-fasting insulin and glucose test - this was only because we had previously had negative results for both from a fasting test.  Fasting tests are easier to interpret because they will not be affected by recent feed, and are recommended  by many vets for initial diagnosis and for follow up tests at least until the horse tests negative.

I purposely wanted to compare the glucose results from glucometers and lab tests.  Following these results, I'm not sure I would place too much faith in all glucometer results - they are likely to be useful for monitoring increases and decreases in glucose (using the same glucometer), but not necessarily for giving an accurate glucose concentration.  I would want to know that a glucometer had had results in line with (correctly handled) lab results before accepting a glucometer result in lieu of a lab result. 

I particularly wanted to have Homer tested for PPID during the peak of the seasonal rise (September), because according to the latest thinking, he could be said to be showing early signs of PPID:
- long hair on his chin/under his jaw, down his gullet and on the backs of his legs,
- early to get winter coat and later than my other "finer" horses to shed his coat in the spring, although no patchy shedding,
- decreased athletic performance and lethargy - he's never been the most enthusiastic chap to work, he's the sort of horse that tells you the way home out hacking, and keeps asking if it isn't time to stop or take a break in the school!
So it was great to have 2 resoundingly negative ACTH results - and I suspect it's changes in these symptoms that we need to watch out for, or starting to have them for the first time later in life, whereas Homer, who is a very easy keeping Irish cob who doesn't waste a scrap of energy and could easily be related to a yak, has always, since he came to us at the age of 7, been hairy, slow to lose his winter coat (which is much thicker than most other horses), and not too keen on work - no change there in over 10 years!  So for the moment I am going to happily accept that that's "just how he is", and not go looking for PPID in every long hair (but I will keep monitoring him regularly, because if he does start to show signs, I'll be doing all I can to arrest the neurodegeneration for as long as possible)!

If your vet collects blood and takes it away to process it, you could easily underestimate the amount of work involved and therefore perhaps question their charges.  The blood collection is (generally) the easy bit!  Every tube of blood (for EMS/PPID tests) has to either clot and/or spin in a centrifuge to separate the plasma or serum from the cells.  The plasma or serum then has to be drawn off using a clean needle and syringe for every tube, and put into a clean tube, which has to be labelled with the horse's name, the contents of the tube and usually the test required.  And then submission forms filled in and the tubes packed up correctly and dispatched to the testing lab.  A lab result is only as good as the sample submitted, so use the most experienced vet you can and be prepared to pay for good service.  If you don't believe me, ask your vet whether it might be possible to watch your blood being prepared sometime - you may be surprised!

Finally, I cannot thank the lab staff at Liphook enough for their friendly and efficient service.  Since I first contacted them over 2 years ago to ask them if they would test blood from France, they have helped us through every aspect of collecting and testing blood, and answered unending questions.  We can rely on getting accurate results, reported by whatever means we choose (phone, email, text..) often within a few hours of the samples arriving at Liphook, 6 days a week, and at excellent prices, and enjoy knowing that our samples may be contributing to their research and helping horses in the future.

And I'd like to thank my vets here in France who are great to work with, very open to new ideas, have excellent horse handling skills, speak very good English and even pose for photos for the website!  They are all equine specialists, are investing in equipment for the benefit of all horses in the area and appear to have made a huge difference to horse survival rates in the short time they have been in this predominantly beef-producing region of France - we are very lucky to have them!

For more about blood testing at Liphook, and the protocol in French and English, see:
http://www.thelaminitissite.org/l.html
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Current thoughts of where we are with PPID diagnostics - Andy Durham

9/4/2012

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Notes from Boehringer Ingelheim webinar 04 September 2012   
Andy Durham - Current thoughts of where we are with PPID diagnostics
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NOTES MADE DURING WEBINAR - NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER IS TAKEN FOR THE ACCURACY OF THESE NOTES

Diagnostic tests for PPID 
99% of tests for PPID (at Liphook) now basal plasma ACTH concentration. 
Not difficult - collect one sample into EDTA, chill within 3 hrs, centrifuge ASAP, chill during shipping, observe seasonal reference intervals. 
Can be used year round and probably better in the autumn. 
False positives are rare but likely missing some early cases. 

ODST not being used much now - normal horse will suppress cortisol below 27 nmol/L or 1µg/dL 19 hours after 40 µg/kg BW dexamethasone administration.  Can’t use in autumn because no seasonal reference ranges.  Worry about laminitis risk. 

PPID is different in every horse 
PPID is a heterogeneous disease (different in every horse) - develops over months if not years - early and late stage cases. 

Miller et al. 2008 graded pars intermedias by histology into 5 grades – grades 3 (marked hypertrophy/hyperplasia), 4 (plus microadenoma) and 5 (plus macroadenoma) indicating there are at least 3 stages of PPID. 
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Changes in the PI precede clinical signs and abnormal lab results 
Dianne McFarlane (ACVIM 2012) examined 120 horses before and after death, 48 normal and 72 PPID according to post mortem histology. 
Of the horses with grade 3 PIs (hypertrophy/hyperplasia), only 2/34 (6%)had clinical signs of PPID; 
of the horses with grade 4 PIs (microadenomas), only 3/27 (11%) had clinical signs; 
many grade 3 and 4 horses had negative ACTH and DST results, the mean ACTH and DST results for grade 3 and grade 4 horses were normal. 
The normal horses (grades 1 and 2) all had negative blood results.   
All the horses with grade 5 (macroadenomas) PIs had abnormal ACTH and ODSTs, and all but one had clinical signs.   
This suggests we are likely to be missing a lot of early PPID cases - 79% of horses with histopathology of PPID had no clinical signs of PPID.  Early detection and treatment may help to slow neurodegeneration. 

NB RIA was used for ACTH testing, 58 pg/ml cut-off is equivalent to 29 pg/ml with CIA (as used by Liphook) - RIA has higher results than CIA. 

TRH stimulation test 
The TRH stimulation test (testing ACTH) currently appears to be the best test for “grey-area” cases (TRH testing cortisol is now largely discredited). 
Horses are injected with 1 mg TRH IV, normal horses show very little response to TRH, PPID horses have big surge in ACTH production in response to TRH.  Research suggests ACTH tested 10 minutes post TRH uses 100 pg/ml cut-off (30 minutes post TRH uses 35 pg/ml cut-off).  Currently no seasonally adjusted reference ranges for TRH stimulation of ACTH. ​
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Using CIA (cut-off 29 pg/ml outside of autumn), results under 20 pg/ml are likely to be negative for PPID, results over 40 pg/ml are likely to be positive, results between 20 – 40 pg/ml fall into a “grey area” – these may be early PPID cases. 
Testing ACTH 10 minutes post TRH, Liphook found that TRH results generally confirmed negative basal ACTH (<20 pg/ml) and positive basal ACTH (>40 pg/ml).  For basal ACTH results between 20 and 40 pg/ml, around 50% of TRH results were positive and 50% negative. 

NB "grey-zone" now identified for resting ACTH - 20-40 pg/ml if using CIA with 29 pg/ml cut-off outside of autumn.  Generally "grey zone" suggested as cut-off +/- 10 pg/ml. 

Treatment and Monitoring 

Dose of pergolide 
No consensus as to the “correct” dose of pergolide - a horse with mild hyperplasia may respond well to 2 mcg/kg (1 mg/500 kg horse), whereas a horse with a macroadenoma may need a much higher dose.  PPID is different in every horse, plus there may be differences in absorption of pergolide between individual horses.  Lab tests can be used to monitor response to treatment, but clinical signs must be taken into account as well. 

NB interesting to note that Orth et al. 1982 used 10 µg/kg pergolide and this dose was considered safe. 

Response to treatment with pergolide 
Liphook measured the response to (0.5 – 1 mg) pergolide in over 600 horses. 
Follow up tests after 4 – 12 weeks pergolide treatment showed ACTH decreased in 91.8% of horses.  37% had normal ACTH, 38% had a > 50% reduction in ACTH with ACTH remaining above normal, and 25% had a < 50% reduction in ACTH with ACTH remaining above normal.  When some of these horses were tested after 6+ months, the response was poorer and 42% had ACTH that had decreased by < 50% from the pre-treatment ACTH.  Reasons put forward for this: disease progression (most likely - disease initially controlled and then over time becomes less controlled? (was seasonal rise taken into account?)), increasing tolerance to pergolide, selection bias (poor responders more likely to be retested). 

How quickly do horses respond to pergolide? 
Liphook found that of 33/39 horses that showed a good or partial response to pergolide, the majority (average 63%) responded within 1 week of starting treatment, an average of 80% showed a response within 2 weeks, and all but one horse (average 91%) had responded within 4 weeks of starting treatment. 

When should follow-up testing be carried out? 
Follow up testing is recommended 4 weeks after starting pergolide and the dosage should be increased if the response is disappointing. 

Regular monitoring of ACTH is recommended, ideally every 3 to 6 months with one test between August and October to see whether PPID is controlled through the seasonal rise. 

What about horses that don’t respond to pergolide? 
Most horses that do not respond to an initial (2 mcg/kg) dose of pergolide do tend to respond to an increased dose.  Some horses may respond in the long-term: 
Hal Schott reported at ACVIM 2012 that of 8 PPID horses that had not responded to 2 mcg/kg pergolide at 3 months and 4 mcg/kg at 6 months, but continued to receive 4 mcg/kg, 5 had responded 2 years later, and 6 had responded 3 years later - appears there is potential for horses to respond to pergolide in the longer-term. 
Some cases respond when 0.25 mg/kg/12 hrs cyproheptadine is added to a high (10 µg/kg?) dose of pergolide. 

Conclusions 
Diagnostics
 
ACTH is preferred to ODST for routine diagnosis. 
Early PPID cases are being missed – we can diagnose full-blown PPID with macroadenomas but early cases are not showing characteristic clinical signs or lab tests outside of normal ranges. 
TRH stimulation test (of ACTH) might detect cases earlier, could be used following “grey-area” resting ACTH results (20 – 40 pg/ml CIA), but we don’t yet have seasonal references ranges. 
Better PPID tests are needed – Liphook are investigating. 

Monitoring 
Recheck ACTH after a month and adjust dosage of pergolide as required. 
Maximum dose is probably 10 µg/kg BW - happy this is safe. 
Horses that don’t respond to the maximum dose (10 µg/kg) could either carry on with an affordable dose in the hope that they will eventually respond, or try adding cyproheptadine (0.25 mg/kg every 12 hrs) to the pergolide. 
When horses are stable and the PPID appears controlled, it may be possible to reduce the dose – retest to monitor. 

This webinar was presented by bi-academy on 04 September 2012 (login required): 
http://live.webcasts.unique-media.tv/bil019/interface 
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Notes from Boehringer Ingelheim webinar 04 September 2012   
Andy Durham and Cathy McGowan - questions asked
 

Q. Likely diagnosis for 17 year old laminitic pony very high cortisol but normal insulin?   
Andy:  Cortisol has no diagnostic value for PPID.  Where cortisol is high, probably related to pain from current laminitis.  Normal resting insulin doesn't mean horse isn't insulin resistant and that horse won't experience marked hyperinsulinaemia after eating sugar.  Dismiss cortisol result, test ACTH and do glucose challenge. 

Q. Laminitic pony high insulin, high cortisol and normal ACTH – could this be adrenal neoplasm? 
Andy: Cortisol-producing adrenal neoplasia very rare (van den Kolk had a case) – sounds like EMS not PPID.  Cortisol probably reflects pain - ignore.  Look at body condition etc. 
PPID doesn't usually involve hyperadrenocorticism – there's evidence that the ACTH produced in PPID horses is not very bioactive – can pick it up in lab test but it doesn’t really stimulate adrenal glands in majority of cases.  Cortisol further removed from the condition than it might be in other species. 

Q. How useful is trilostane? 
Cathy: might add trilostane to a pergolide regime if felt laminitis was completely out of control – really just last ditch effort – don’t use routinely.  Had good effects against laminitis where stress involved e.g. transport, but not first line remedy. 

Q. Danger of treating horses with high ACTH with high levels of pergolide? 
Andy: High ACTH (say 1000 pg/ml) doesn’t necessarily mean need high dose of pergolide – often response can be as good if not better than lower ACTH levels.  If failure to respond to lower doses, 10 mcg/kg seems fine, nothing more serious than inappetance seen.  Dave Rendle found 20 mgc/kg causes reversible neurologic signs - general hyperexcitablility (in non-PPID horses) – nothing more serious.  Andy hasn’t come across any suggestions of safety issues – Hal Schott found no serious side effects up to 8 mcg/kg.   

Q.  Can we be sure pergolide is causing effect of lowering ACTH (rather than ACTH decreasing naturally)? 
Andy: We don’t really know, but horses with high ACTH usually have macroadenomas in pituitary glands – not likely to spontaneously reverse or improve naturally – likely constant battering of PI with dopamine agonist if improvement seen.  Hypertrophy could potentially come and go a bit, but not macroadenomas. 

Q. PU/PD in PPID? 
PU/PD not particularly associated with diagnosis in Cathy’s study because horses lived out but it did occur in 3 x as many horses with PPID as normal aged horses.  Will miss a lot of cases in horses that live out – it’s the PU that owners pick up when mucking out, rather than PD per se. 

Q. Treatment with pergolide in early stages of disease – does it potentially slow progress of disease? 
Cathy: We don’t know – Dianne McFarlane and others have shown that hyperplasia progressively gets worse (to adenomas) - theoretically hyperplasia (from pumping out lots of hormones) might be arrested before it goes further – it is a degenerative disease of old age, it is going to continue, but you might buy more time by treating earlier. 

Q. PPID horse, once laminitis under control, and stable on treatment, can they return to grass and live a normal life? 
Andy: All different, require different monitoring.  Some evidence insulin is a better marker for laminitis prediction than ACTH – can have very high ACTH with no laminitis history at all.  PPID cases with high insulin (resting or after OGT) are the ones to be more worried about.  Check insulin response before returning to grazing – wouldn’t return to grazing if high insulin – can’t generalise.  PPID isn’t like EMS where most cases are fat and benefit from coming off grass.  Some PPID cases are too thin and need to be careful not to over-restrict – individual tailoring according to body condition, teeth, insulin response.   
Cathy: Would base return to pasture on insulin response to glucose challenge - does CGIT (in hospital) rather than OGT – point is what does insulin do to glucose challenge, as that’s what grass is going to do. 

Q. Value of insulin to glucose ratio? 
Andy: insulin:glucose ratio specifically is not worth time & effort in calculating!  Worth a look at glucose as diabetes mellitus cases do crop up – in ideal world look at ACTH, insulin and glucose - but ratio of no great value.  Insulin values are key, whether resting insulin or glucose challenge – very important part of assessment of PPID case. 

Q.  Borderline ACTH and positive TRH – when would you retest with TRH? 
Andy: Use TRH stimulation test following borderline resting ACTH.  Retest for TRH stimulation probably same timeline as resting ACTH – 1-2 months but no evidence to back this up.  No data on using TRH in autumn so currently can’t use – logical to assume TRH response will be greater in the autumn.  Dianne McFarlane hoping to do research in Sept this year/next year to see autumnal response to TRH.  TRH can be bought from Sigma Aldrich pharmaceutical grade but can’t be bought in UK as medical grade, and only in large quantities, so expensive.  Liphook have arranged with VMD to supply it (diluted out and frozen) at around £10 for 1mg dose plus lab fee for ACTH £18.50. 

Q. Pergolide treatment in mares in foal?   
Cathy: limited experience in pregnant mares – all cases past breeding age.  Report from TB stud farm in Australia, comfortable with mares on pergolide but always stopped 1-2 wks before lactation 
Andy: PPID horses tend to be older and often difficult to get in foal so very little experience.  Issue is lactation suppression.  Reports of pregnant mares on pergolide that don’t develop an udder – logical physiologically in terms of dopamine agonism suppressing prolactin, others report mares on pergolide that have gone into a normal lactation.  Need to make sure udder is developing towards end of pregnancy, if not perhaps reduce or even stop pergolide. 

Q. Any comments on the use of extended day length management for PPID horses in winter? 
Cathy: clearly autumn laminitis episodes and peptides increase during autumn period, so in theory potential to decrease peptide increase, but data in Queensland with very little day length variation between summer and winter (2 hrs max) still have as dramatic autumn changes. 
Andy: if day length is a factor it can’t be absolute day length, otherwise there would be an issue in the spring as well as autumn when day lengths of similar duration so it must be specifically decreasing day lengths. 

Q. Has every horse that is diagnosed with PPID had laminitis? 
Cathy: definitely not.  PPID doesn’t always present with laminitis – only around 10% of PPID horses had laminitis in Australian research.  PPID predisposes to laminitis.  Many owners don’t recognise PPID, often laminitis is what makes them notice, best to diagnose PPID before laminitis occurs and prevent it. 
Andy: PPID horses don’t all get laminitis, some don’t tend to get laminitis, particularly older horses 30+ tend to have lower insulin, higher ACTH and less laminitis.  Plenty of cases never get laminitis.  Laminitis is often what gets the vet in. 

Q. Any risks of Bute and Pergolide together?   
Andy: Not aware of any evidence, and frequently used together so unlikely, had plenty of cases on both drugs with no problems.
(NB TLS is currently investigating the concurrent use of Phenylbutazone (Bute) (and other NSAIDs e.g. Danilon) and Pergolide. 

Prascend is approx. 90% bound to plasma proteins. 
Phenylbutazone is >98% bound to plasma proteins. 
Suxibizone (Danilon) is highly bound to plasma proteins. 
The datasheets for all of these drugs advise caution when using concurrently with other highly plasma protein bound drugs.)
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